Episodes

Monday Feb 13, 2023
Inter-MISSION: The Quest aka Frog Dreaming
Monday Feb 13, 2023
Monday Feb 13, 2023
It's Inter-MISSION time! Drew and Rafe follow up their conversation about The Quest (aka Frog Dreaming) with ideas they might have missed the first time around, including their usual forgetfulness regarding the score and several other sources of information Drew found regarding the film and fan community. They dive into listener feedback, including the birth of a new game mechanic inspired by a listener and The Quest. Finally, they chat about Crowd-Funded projects that have caught their eyes recently and reveal the movie they'll be talking about for our next episode.
Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This

Monday Jan 23, 2023
7. The Quest aka Frog Dreaming (1986)
Monday Jan 23, 2023
Monday Jan 23, 2023
After watching BMX Bandits and talking with filmmaker Brian Trenchard-Smith, it only makes sense to look at his other "kids on bikes" movie, The Quest (aka Frog Dreaming, aka Go Kids!). While this is a movie Drew grew up loving, we weren't exactly sure it fit into our current theme, but this was too good an opportunity to discuss it to pass by. Is it a "kids on bikes" movie? How do you deal with a protagonist that needs no real help? And how do you look past some of the movie's more problematic elements? We talk about all of that and more with our deep dive into The Quest.
What approach would you use to run a Frog Dreaming inspired session? How would you deal with an overpoweed protagonist like Cody? Let us know what inspiration this film has given you. Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This
This month's independent podcast promo is for the Weird Distractions podcast

Monday Jan 09, 2023
Inter-MISSION: BMX Bandits
Monday Jan 09, 2023
Monday Jan 09, 2023
It's Inter-MISSION time! Drew and Rafe (finally) follow up their conversation about BMX Bandits with ideas they might have missed the first time around, mostly involving how talking with filmmaker Brian Trenchard-Smith impacted their appreciation of the film. They discuss the highly successful Kids on Bikes Second Edition Kickstarter, which they participated in both as playtesters and as backers. Then, they use the 2nd edition information to trope the new characters they've picked in the draft. Finally, they chat about Kickstarters that have come and gone in the time that the show was on break, discuss the future goals for the podcast (which you can chime in on) and reveal the movie they'll be talking about for our next episode.
Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This

Monday Dec 26, 2022
Special: Never Say Die! interviews Brian Trenchard-Smith
Monday Dec 26, 2022
Monday Dec 26, 2022
We've been gone for a while but we're making our way back into the Kids on Bikes spotlight, returning with a long overdue interview with Brian Trenchard-Smith, the director of our most recent movie (BMX Bandits) and another Kids on Bikes film we're sure to discuss, The Quest (aka Frog Dreaming). We talk with Mr. Trenchard-Smith about the making of both of those films, his book Adventures in the B Movie Trade, his non-Kids on Bikes movies, B-movies in general, and a whole lot more.
We'll be back in two weeks with our proper BMX Bandits Intermission, where we'll also discuss the future plans for the show and the incredibly successful Kickstarter campaign for Kids on Bikes 2nd Edition. As usual, you can Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This

Tuesday Aug 02, 2022
7. BMX Bandits (1983)
Tuesday Aug 02, 2022
Tuesday Aug 02, 2022
Sorry for the delay in between episodes, but we're back with what is probably our most divisive movie to date: BMX Bandits. One of us likes the movie and one of us is a Grumpy Sour McGrumpy-pants about it. Who is on what side? Make sure you listen to find out! We talk about the movie, the strange debut of Nicole Kidman, and other BMX/skateboarding flicks of the era.
What approach would you use to run a BMX Bandits inspired session? What kinds of locations would you let your group terrorize? What kind of McGuffin ideas can you come up with? Let us know what inspiration this film has given you. Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This
Check out past-guest Doug Levandowski's latest Kickstarter project: Calls To Action: Extraordinary Party Backgrounds for 5e
This month's independent podcast promo is for the Killer Fun Crime and Entertainment podcast

Tuesday May 24, 2022
Inter-MISSION: The Kid Who Would Be King
Tuesday May 24, 2022
Tuesday May 24, 2022
It's Inter-MISSION time! Drew and Rafe follow up their conversation about The Kid Who Would Be King with ideas they might have missed the first time around, which isn't much this time. They trope the new characters they've picked in the draft, respond to listener feedback, and chat about what is catching interest on Kickstarter and other online vendors. Finally, they reveal the movie they'll be talking about for our next episode.
Links to things we talk about this episode:
- Crucible of Realms: Episode 28 - Tide Shift (featuring Drew)
- Screen Drafts: Richard Donner episode
- The Conqueror Challenges: Lord of the Rings
- Fanthropy Virtual Races
- Brindlewood Bay RPG (Kickstarter)
- Desperation RPG (GameFound)
- Blade Runner RPG (Kickstarter)
- Everyday Heroes RPG (Kickstarter)
- DIE: The Roleplaying Game (Kickstarter)
Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This

Thursday Apr 28, 2022
6. The Kid Who Would Be King (2018)
Thursday Apr 28, 2022
Thursday Apr 28, 2022
This month brings a movie that Drew and Rafe went into blind on: The Kid Who Would Be King. We have a lot to say as we visit a second Joe Cornish film for the podcast, including a focus on Joseph Campbell and "The Hero's Journey" monomyth. We highly recommend watching this movie! But we especially recommend watching it before listening to our spoiler-filled breakdown of the film and our attempt to gamify for an inspired game session.
What approach would you use to run a The Kid Who Would Be King inspired game? Would you stick to the Arthurian Legend or use a different one? And how closely would you follow The Hero's Journey? Let us know what inspiration this film has given you. Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This
This month's independent podcast promo is for Autopsy.

Thursday Mar 31, 2022
Inter-MISSION: Super 8
Thursday Mar 31, 2022
Thursday Mar 31, 2022
It's Inter-MISSION time! Drew and Rafe follow up their conversation about Super 8 with ideas they might have missed the first time around, including several ideas we pushed to the Inter-MISSION including key locations and how to stat a town. They trope the new characters they've picked in the draft, then chat about what is catching interest on Kickstarter. Finally, they reveal the movie they'll be talking about for our next episode - a movie they both will be going blind into!
Links to things we talk about this episode:
- The Real Thing Kickstarter
- Yazeba's Bed and Breakfast Indiegogo
- Grizelda's Guide to Ghost Hunting Kickstarter
Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This

Thursday Mar 17, 2022
5. Super 8 (2011) with Jonathan Gilmour and Doug Levandowski
Thursday Mar 17, 2022
Thursday Mar 17, 2022
We are so excited about this month's movie/game discussion we can't even put it into words. Joining us to dissect and analyze J.J. Abrams' Super 8 are the creators of the Kids on Bikes RPG: Jonathan Gilmour and Doug Levandowski! We tear into "the most 'kids on bikes' movie that ever was" and realize it isn't quite the movie we thought it was. Opinions will differ, friendships will form, and enemies will be made, as we talk about the movie and then come up with some truly interesting ideas on how to run a game inspired by this movie!
What approach would you use to run a Super 8 inspired game? Would your game be centered around a mystery or would you also attempt an emotional journey at its core? Let us know what inspiration this film has given you, or just contact us if you want us to throw some questions toward the creators of one of our favorite games. Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find our guests on Twitter to keep up with all of their amazing projects:
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This
This month's independent podcast promo is for Red Dirt: A D&D Podcast.

Friday Feb 18, 2022
Inter-MISSION: Now and Then
Friday Feb 18, 2022
Friday Feb 18, 2022
It's Inter-MISSION time! Drew and Rafe follow up their conversation about Now and Then with ideas they might have missed the first time around, although they find they did a pretty cohesive job of discussing the movie in the main episode. They answer some listener feedback, including troping the characters they've picked in the draft, then chat about what is catching our interest on Kickstarter. Finally, they reveal the movie they'll be talking about for our next episode, including a pretty big tease of what the next film discussion will bring.
Links to things we talk about this episode:
- "Things About Now and Then You Only Notice as an Adult"
- "What White Girl Coming-of-Age Movies Don't Do For a Black Girl"
- "Now And Then Is A Lot Darker Than You Remember"
- "Now and Then at 25: Girlhood Finally Taken Seriously"
- "Now and Then: Friends, Ghosts, and Drops of Bird Poop"
- Barkeep on the Borderlands Kickstarter
- Those Wretched Kids Kickstarter
- Unchained Mysteries Kickstarter
- The Deck of Inspiration Kickstarter
From last month but now active on Kickstarter:
- Sunken Isles Kickstarter
- Cyran's Magnificent Walking Marketplace Kickstarter
- Thunder Road: Vendetta Kickstarter
Interact with the show on Instagram and Twitter or email us at theneversaydiepodcast@gmail.com.
Find Drew on Twitter and on Doctor Who: Who & Company
Find Rafe on Twitter and on Have Not Seen This